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	<title>Comments on: Why A New Window Is Akin To A Barrier To (Re) Entry</title>
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		<title>By: Jaamit</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-10040</link>
		<author>Jaamit</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-10040</guid>
		<description>I agree with a lot of the comments above - I always open in new tabs (i am constantly using the shift button) and get frustrated with links opening in the same window, especially with blogs where links are spread throughout the article and you click on something before you've finished reading the article.

However it IS annoying if you don't have tabs enabled.

Maybe we need a "target=_newtab" attribute for links?  But in the meantime, would there be a way of detecting whether tabs are enabled and having separate behaviours?  You could detect browser version (less than or equal to ie6 etc) but that doesn't get around the fact that you can switch off tabs in ie7 and firefox...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of the comments above - I always open in new tabs (i am constantly using the shift button) and get frustrated with links opening in the same window, especially with blogs where links are spread throughout the article and you click on something before you&#8217;ve finished reading the article.</p>
<p>However it IS annoying if you don&#8217;t have tabs enabled.</p>
<p>Maybe we need a &#8220;target=_newtab&#8221; attribute for links?  But in the meantime, would there be a way of detecting whether tabs are enabled and having separate behaviours?  You could detect browser version (less than or equal to ie6 etc) but that doesn&#8217;t get around the fact that you can switch off tabs in ie7 and firefox&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chungaiz</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-10039</link>
		<author>Chungaiz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-10039</guid>
		<description>I hate new window openings. How bout open in new tab?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate new window openings. How bout open in new tab?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9987</link>
		<author>Seth</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9987</guid>
		<description>i definitely prefer links opening in a new window. with settings so that links open in tabs rather than new browser windows i find this the best way to manage what i have open.

i find that whilst the content from the initial site might be good, enough to go back again, it might not be as relevant as the journey that going to other sites can often lead to, for whatever it is that you are looking for at that particular moment. this means you could end up navigating people away from the site.

it used to be less manageable to have loads of windows opening on the taskbar, but tabs in browsers rectify that.

i'm one of those who tends to have the main focal site open, where i started out, and then builds up the picture with opened tabs to other sites, which themselves can be developed if necessary. new opened links can often have some useful information, but are also in some way tangential, so having them open in new windows gives them a sort of secondary feel to where you started off.

it really depends on the content of the site at the start though, and how much of a 'parent' type site it is; with something like google, it is a natural start point due to its nature, not an end in itself, so opening in the same window makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i definitely prefer links opening in a new window. with settings so that links open in tabs rather than new browser windows i find this the best way to manage what i have open.</p>
<p>i find that whilst the content from the initial site might be good, enough to go back again, it might not be as relevant as the journey that going to other sites can often lead to, for whatever it is that you are looking for at that particular moment. this means you could end up navigating people away from the site.</p>
<p>it used to be less manageable to have loads of windows opening on the taskbar, but tabs in browsers rectify that.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m one of those who tends to have the main focal site open, where i started out, and then builds up the picture with opened tabs to other sites, which themselves can be developed if necessary. new opened links can often have some useful information, but are also in some way tangential, so having them open in new windows gives them a sort of secondary feel to where you started off.</p>
<p>it really depends on the content of the site at the start though, and how much of a &#8216;parent&#8217; type site it is; with something like google, it is a natural start point due to its nature, not an end in itself, so opening in the same window makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9941</link>
		<author>Katy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9941</guid>
		<description>When I first published my first ever site back in 2000 I added in a check box to offer users the choice of opening links in the same window, or a new window  (with the default unchecked box meaning all links opened in the same window).

Now, I get really miffed if links open in a new window without telling me - I use tabbed browsing and open all links in a new tab (by hand) - but crucially all within the same window. I'm already drowing under far too many open windows from using far too many apps at once, I want to keep all my browsing in the same window thank you very much. 

However I wholeheartedly agree that the moral of the story is to tell users what the links do - no annoying surprises for the user!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first published my first ever site back in 2000 I added in a check box to offer users the choice of opening links in the same window, or a new window  (with the default unchecked box meaning all links opened in the same window).</p>
<p>Now, I get really miffed if links open in a new window without telling me - I use tabbed browsing and open all links in a new tab (by hand) - but crucially all within the same window. I&#8217;m already drowing under far too many open windows from using far too many apps at once, I want to keep all my browsing in the same window thank you very much. </p>
<p>However I wholeheartedly agree that the moral of the story is to tell users what the links do - no annoying surprises for the user!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9895</link>
		<author>Lee</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9895</guid>
		<description>Got to agree with most of the comments here.  I'm also someone who would prefer external links to open in other windows, very similar Raymond &#38; Jane's comments, to the point where I will actively open links in a new tab myself if a site doesn't do this automatically.

This to me is the biggest issue; I don't think people (generally) are annoyed by links opening in a new window/tab any more.  How many people have more than one tab/window open now?  I have 3, but it can be up to 8 or 9 on a usual day.

My attitude as a consumer has changed where I want to be the one to make a decision on whether I leave a site or not.  For me, opening in the same window has changed from 'polite/best practice' to 'most annoying'.  New tabs are no longer intrusive (to me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to agree with most of the comments here.  I&#8217;m also someone who would prefer external links to open in other windows, very similar Raymond &amp; Jane&#8217;s comments, to the point where I will actively open links in a new tab myself if a site doesn&#8217;t do this automatically.</p>
<p>This to me is the biggest issue; I don&#8217;t think people (generally) are annoyed by links opening in a new window/tab any more.  How many people have more than one tab/window open now?  I have 3, but it can be up to 8 or 9 on a usual day.</p>
<p>My attitude as a consumer has changed where I want to be the one to make a decision on whether I leave a site or not.  For me, opening in the same window has changed from &#8216;polite/best practice&#8217; to &#8216;most annoying&#8217;.  New tabs are no longer intrusive (to me).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Fenn</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9881</link>
		<author>Ian Fenn</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9881</guid>
		<description>Opening links in a new window in an attempt to retain visitors is terribly out-dated thinking...

But opening links in a new window _without warning_ is the real problem - I've seen plenty of videos from usability tests where this has proved a problem to the participant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opening links in a new window in an attempt to retain visitors is terribly out-dated thinking&#8230;</p>
<p>But opening links in a new window _without warning_ is the real problem - I&#8217;ve seen plenty of videos from usability tests where this has proved a problem to the participant.</p>
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		<title>By: Pixielated</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9865</link>
		<author>Pixielated</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9865</guid>
		<description>It would be nice to have a predictable standard for this, however my rule of thumb is that if it is a different site then it should open in a different window. The signal that this has occurred should be that you are suddenly looking at a site that has totally different branding, colour scheme, layout etc. This point can be reinforced by making sure that the initial site was consistent on all of these points and therefore even a site with a similar layout etc will be noticeably different.

I do a lot of research and often find it annoying when there is something you need a reference for and it doesn't open in a new  window causing you to lose your place within the original page. Granted i know about the right click option but i don't always remember.

Therefore, although i am hesitant to suggest this as it could be seen to further propagate the problem, user testing should be carried out as ultimately speaking it is about keeping your clients happy and they tend to be happy when they have loads of people doing stuff on their site.

I agree with the point about great content, however certain groups of people do things in certain ways and you need to make it easier for your actual users not everyone in general. Its a tight point and one I'm still not sure of yet, but at the moment I'm out for my clients :)

Saying this I have a client that has a little 'open new window' icon next to the link and it works well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have a predictable standard for this, however my rule of thumb is that if it is a different site then it should open in a different window. The signal that this has occurred should be that you are suddenly looking at a site that has totally different branding, colour scheme, layout etc. This point can be reinforced by making sure that the initial site was consistent on all of these points and therefore even a site with a similar layout etc will be noticeably different.</p>
<p>I do a lot of research and often find it annoying when there is something you need a reference for and it doesn&#8217;t open in a new  window causing you to lose your place within the original page. Granted i know about the right click option but i don&#8217;t always remember.</p>
<p>Therefore, although i am hesitant to suggest this as it could be seen to further propagate the problem, user testing should be carried out as ultimately speaking it is about keeping your clients happy and they tend to be happy when they have loads of people doing stuff on their site.</p>
<p>I agree with the point about great content, however certain groups of people do things in certain ways and you need to make it easier for your actual users not everyone in general. Its a tight point and one I&#8217;m still not sure of yet, but at the moment I&#8217;m out for my clients <img src='http://www.altogetherdigital.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Saying this I have a client that has a little &#8216;open new window&#8217; icon next to the link and it works well.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Theakston</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9863</link>
		<author>Raymond Theakston</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9863</guid>
		<description>I open all new links in a new tab myself now, whether that is the intention of the site or not.

I like to refer back and forth between pages of content and also it's because I don't trust what the forthcoming page will deliver.

I can close a tab and re-treat back to the previous page but If I close a window I've got to re-open the browser and find my history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I open all new links in a new tab myself now, whether that is the intention of the site or not.</p>
<p>I like to refer back and forth between pages of content and also it&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t trust what the forthcoming page will deliver.</p>
<p>I can close a tab and re-treat back to the previous page but If I close a window I&#8217;ve got to re-open the browser and find my history.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9862</link>
		<author>Ciaran</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9862</guid>
		<description>I'm not a big fan of Jakob, but you have to love this quote:

Opening up new browser windows is like a vacuum cleaner sales person who starts a visit by emptying an ash tray on the customer's carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of Jakob, but you have to love this quote:</p>
<p>Opening up new browser windows is like a vacuum cleaner sales person who starts a visit by emptying an ash tray on the customer&#8217;s carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9861</link>
		<author>Jane</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20080306/why-a-new-window-is-akin-to-a-barrier-to-re-entry/#comment-9861</guid>
		<description>I always - as in 100% of the time - open things in new tabs by myself, but I'm not part of the hoards of people still using IE6 (yep, check out those stats). Additionally, I like it how opening a new tab by yourself means that you stay on the original page and then choose to click over to the new tab. I don't really like being taken to the new tab or window immediately. Don't ask me why; I'm just odd. Even if I know that the link will open another window, I do the right-click-open-new.

How many other people do this? It kind of makes my opinion on whether the links should automatically bring up a new window meaningless, since mine always do, on my own terms. This is what you get when you ask a bunch of non-average users what you should do for average users ;)

If you're using a browser that doesn't support tabs, new windows are going to get really old really quickly. Remember what happens when you fill up the real estate at the bottom of the screen? Incredibly annoying. In this light, I'd vote for Same Window, even though I'd still open it separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always - as in 100% of the time - open things in new tabs by myself, but I&#8217;m not part of the hoards of people still using IE6 (yep, check out those stats). Additionally, I like it how opening a new tab by yourself means that you stay on the original page and then choose to click over to the new tab. I don&#8217;t really like being taken to the new tab or window immediately. Don&#8217;t ask me why; I&#8217;m just odd. Even if I know that the link will open another window, I do the right-click-open-new.</p>
<p>How many other people do this? It kind of makes my opinion on whether the links should automatically bring up a new window meaningless, since mine always do, on my own terms. This is what you get when you ask a bunch of non-average users what you should do for average users <img src='http://www.altogetherdigital.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re using a browser that doesn&#8217;t support tabs, new windows are going to get really old really quickly. Remember what happens when you fill up the real estate at the bottom of the screen? Incredibly annoying. In this light, I&#8217;d vote for Same Window, even though I&#8217;d still open it separately.</p>
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