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	<title>Comments on: Secret Questions and Answers</title>
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		<title>By: mjs</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1698</link>
		<author>mjs</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify: I don't have a problem with password resets to an existing email address being triggered by the answer to a non-secure question. If you forget your password, most websites will email your password, or a reset password, to the email address you provided when you signed up, and that's okay.  (Unless the site in question is a bank, but banks don't make this mistake.)  Hotmail, though isn't in this category: it *is* email, and it will let you reset someone's Hotmail password by knowing part of their (postal) address, and the answer to their secondary question.

My beef with First Direct is slightly different: since you can't seem to do anything useful with the "secondary" questions, why even bother asking them?  It's not like applying for a mobile phone where you have to supply multiple forms of id (which an imposter might have difficultly assembling), because the questions they ask are so difficult to remember, and so plentiful, that you essentially have no option other than to write them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify: I don&#8217;t have a problem with password resets to an existing email address being triggered by the answer to a non-secure question. If you forget your password, most websites will email your password, or a reset password, to the email address you provided when you signed up, and that&#8217;s okay.  (Unless the site in question is a bank, but banks don&#8217;t make this mistake.)  Hotmail, though isn&#8217;t in this category: it *is* email, and it will let you reset someone&#8217;s Hotmail password by knowing part of their (postal) address, and the answer to their secondary question.</p>
<p>My beef with First Direct is slightly different: since you can&#8217;t seem to do anything useful with the &#8220;secondary&#8221; questions, why even bother asking them?  It&#8217;s not like applying for a mobile phone where you have to supply multiple forms of id (which an imposter might have difficultly assembling), because the questions they ask are so difficult to remember, and so plentiful, that you essentially have no option other than to write them down.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Dearson</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1690</link>
		<author>Phil Dearson</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd, I can remember when you could just leave your backdoor open ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd, I can remember when you could just leave your backdoor open <img src='http://www.altogetherdigital.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: DG</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1600</link>
		<author>DG</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1600</guid>
		<description>Allegedly the thing to do is to continually change your password. Unfortunately for those of us with poor memories for multiple passwords (or pin numbers for that matter - I only have 3 but always manage to forget one of them just when I need to pay for something) this isn't really possible for the sake of maintaining some semblance of sanity, and more to the point the ability to access any of our online information.

I agree with Ade - people do choose memorable passwords, generally a combination of a name close to the heart for some reason, and a date of importance, neither of which would be hard to guess for anyone close to that person.

However, things have improved since the good ol' days (?) when people could choose a password as short as they want. When my father's company installed a new fancy computer network in an nhs hospital to store patient data in a database (really quite personal and valuable data), the nurses there complained remembering the long password they were supplied with was too much for someone with such a non-stop job. Consequently they had the password changed to "a". Now there's security for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allegedly the thing to do is to continually change your password. Unfortunately for those of us with poor memories for multiple passwords (or pin numbers for that matter - I only have 3 but always manage to forget one of them just when I need to pay for something) this isn&#8217;t really possible for the sake of maintaining some semblance of sanity, and more to the point the ability to access any of our online information.</p>
<p>I agree with Ade - people do choose memorable passwords, generally a combination of a name close to the heart for some reason, and a date of importance, neither of which would be hard to guess for anyone close to that person.</p>
<p>However, things have improved since the good ol&#8217; days (?) when people could choose a password as short as they want. When my father&#8217;s company installed a new fancy computer network in an nhs hospital to store patient data in a database (really quite personal and valuable data), the nurses there complained remembering the long password they were supplied with was too much for someone with such a non-stop job. Consequently they had the password changed to &#8220;a&#8221;. Now there&#8217;s security for you!</p>
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		<title>By: ade</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1576</link>
		<author>ade</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XBox security compromised? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6477155.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XBox security compromised? <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6477155.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6477155.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ade</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1575</link>
		<author>ade</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1575</guid>
		<description>Andy's right - in fact the worrying thing is that email is becoming the absolute bedrock of the whole security edifice - if you get into someone's hotmail account, you are enormously likely to have the keys to car. Which means we're increasingly reliant on Google, Microsoft and Yahoo (and their respective password management techniques) to protect us all. Not all of these companies have the most illustrious security record, apparently...

But ultimately the real weakness is the reliance on passwords at all - they're always the weakest part of any security framework because users choose dumb passwords, write them on bits of paper etc. "Security questions" are intended to encourage users to choose stronger passwords - which are inherently less-memorable - by providing a get-out clause. But its probably still true that most users solve this problem by just choosing some easily-memorable - and weaker - password in the first place. Would be interesting to find out how often password reminders / security questions get used in webmail accounts - very low usage would be a pretty bad sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy&#8217;s right - in fact the worrying thing is that email is becoming the absolute bedrock of the whole security edifice - if you get into someone&#8217;s hotmail account, you are enormously likely to have the keys to car. Which means we&#8217;re increasingly reliant on Google, Microsoft and Yahoo (and their respective password management techniques) to protect us all. Not all of these companies have the most illustrious security record, apparently&#8230;</p>
<p>But ultimately the real weakness is the reliance on passwords at all - they&#8217;re always the weakest part of any security framework because users choose dumb passwords, write them on bits of paper etc. &#8220;Security questions&#8221; are intended to encourage users to choose stronger passwords - which are inherently less-memorable - by providing a get-out clause. But its probably still true that most users solve this problem by just choosing some easily-memorable - and weaker - password in the first place. Would be interesting to find out how often password reminders / security questions get used in webmail accounts - very low usage would be a pretty bad sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1505</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason "security questions" can be weaker is that they don't have the same power as the main password. Their only power is to generate a password reset request, which theoretically shouldn't compromise the password. This of course relies on having a secure conduit to the user, someone who you can actually verify as being the legitimate user. Email is pretty close to that for all intents and purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason &#8220;security questions&#8221; can be weaker is that they don&#8217;t have the same power as the main password. Their only power is to generate a password reset request, which theoretically shouldn&#8217;t compromise the password. This of course relies on having a secure conduit to the user, someone who you can actually verify as being the legitimate user. Email is pretty close to that for all intents and purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1466</link>
		<author>wonkenstein</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.altogetherdigital.com/20070318/secret-questions-and-answers/#comment-1466</guid>
		<description>It's 96.....

Ahah!
You can't get your hands on my pennies that easily!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 96&#8230;..</p>
<p>Ahah!<br />
You can&#8217;t get your hands on my pennies that easily!</p>
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